I went through another round of shared dreaming attempts recently, with my high level lucid dreaming friend I mentioned in my previous article. While success eludes us for now, our attempts did produce some rather interesting results. Before I get into that though, here’s our “techniques” for sharing dreams:
Both picture the same environment and try to meet there.
Try to meet in the dream counterpart of our real world place of residence.
Stepping through a mirror with the intention of being where the other person is
Googling where the other person was to locate them.
That last one was my friend’s idea, I thought it was rather funny. While I failed to become lucid during the week or so of attempts we did, she was lucid every night, so we got to see potential issues and troubleshoot rather quickly. Here’s a brief synopsis of the interesting events:
In one of my non-lucid dreams, I was trying to board a train to get to my friend’s apartment. I was at a different location then where my house should be, and I was waiting for the train. However, whenever a train got close, something stopped me from boarding it. Lacking a ticket, a last minute change of destination, and the most blatant dream-fighting-my-intention block: The platform spinning around when I would get to the end where the train was.
My friend tried to google me. She said that it kept changing and she eventually lost me before she could leave to get me. I guess I was having a particularly turbulent dream that night. She also tried stepping through a mirror, but that she said that had the same result. She would lose me.
The closest we got to success was a dream in which I remembered getting up in my friends apartment. The physical place was unaltered, except there were two cots in the kitchen, one of which I was sleeping on, the other was also occupied. I remembered doing a few things in the apartment. My friend had a dream that night of me and another person waking in her apartment, and then walking to campus. It was a very interesting coincidence, the disappointing (or perhaps not, depending) problem was that our descriptions of the third person weren’t very similar.
I won’t go into the different conclusions you could draw about the person showing up differently to each of us. Your view on the source and reality of dreams will influence the various interpretations you draw. There are many, many, interpretations. The simplest, which is what I’m sticking with, is that we weren’t sharing a dream, and that it was coincidence. If I err on the side of failure, any success will stand out all the more.
The most interesting effect of these attempts was that my friend found that the more she tried to find me and to connect to my dream, the less and less control she had. This effect continued to increase over the week of our attempts, until she decided to quit after we both decided the experiment was having a negative impact on her own personal dreams as well as our shared attempts.
This result has big ramifications! It suggest that if you were to mix the dream consciousness of two people, you would get a kind of average of their awarenesses, instead of two separate consciousnesses in a shared environment. It also helps to outline what might be necessary for two people to share a dream: a like mind and a sort of connection (to avoid a jarringly different joined conscious) as well as relatively equal and high levels of lucidity.
I am looking forward to our next experiment.
-Hatter
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I used to do dreaming experiments with others (through a webgroup.) Although we weren’t terribly successful in obtaining our goal, other interesting things came up. We found that oftentimes some of us would dream of similar things, in some cases we’d almost have the exact same dream (although from a different viewpoint.)
I’ve done online experiments as well; We were only able to get a few similar dreams, not very exact. It seems decidely tricky to share a dream. Did you employ any particular method when you got the similar dreams? Or was it the same one the whole time throughout?
-Hatter
Hatter, This is AWESOME, regardless of the outcome. Because no matter what, you and your friend have taken the necessary first step of ACTION of some sort. As far as the possibility of shared dreaming being nothing more than a conjoining of consciousnesses into an average consciousness, that has outstanding possibilities. You could have each person Photoread a book, and do an experiment where the two of you conjoin your consciousnesses and see how that helps the information activate within the "shared" dream.
Hatter; We weren’t striving to have similar dreams. We typically had one person "sending" a simple image, then we’d see if anyone picked up on it. Having similar dreams/themes was a complete fluke we weren’t aiming for. And the dreams/themes weren’t always the same one. In one instance, a few of us had dreams concerning characters from M*A*S*H, in another, a man & I both dreamed about being in his living room with his wife (from our different viewpoints.)
Hey Bill,
That is another possibility I hadn’t considered. If you could use this to effectively swap information with another person, it could become a sort of super learning. The possibilities are mind-boggling.
Hey Lana,
Hmmm, that’s interesting. I think a good experiment would be to determine if "linking" two people together by thoughts and emotions etc would cause them to have more similar of dreams. I think that might be a good one to try when I get the chance.
-Hatter
Very cool of you to try this. You probably know my thoughts on shared dreaming (skeptical!) but I look forward to any more experiments and their details, regardless of outcome. By the way, one of my very first lucid dreams I saw my good friend in the dream and I shook him by the shoulders shouting, "I’m dreaming!" I had hoped so much the next day when I ran into him that he would remember this moment, but he did not.
PS Congrats on winning the contest at Reality Shifter!! What a bunch of neat little gifts.
Hey Ben,
I am determind to discover how to accomplish shared dreaming. I would be extremely dissapointed to find that nobody could do it. I’ve searched pretty broadly in the dreaming domain. I can always find people who claim to have done it, but replicating it is difficult. (I’m sure some of them are lying or stretching the truth, but I think some are real.)
PS. Thanks! I’m really looking forward to unboxing them when I can finally pick them up tomorrow.
-Hatter